EVENTS
Mike Sibley
STUDIO Workshops, UK:
FOUNDATION +
July 15/16
DRAWING DOGS
August 4/5
COMPOSITION
Including Perspective
October 14/15
FOUNDATION +
October 28/29

Workshops ONLINE
8-week BEGINNERS
INTERMEDIATE, ADVANCED
6-wk TRADITIONAL SHADING
Join me at Drawspace.com
full details

JD Hillberry
Workshops
Westminster, CO :
September 22 - 24, 2017

Subject: Rougher Skin

Fort Worth, TX :
November 10 - 12, 2017

Subject: Trompe l'Oeil

Fort Worth, TX :
November 17 - 19, 2017

Subject: Smooth Skin

More workshops:
full details
Pencil Kit & DVD
Everything I supply in my live workshops
full details

Raven - In Autumn Leaves

The animal and wildlife forum concentrates on drawings of all animals, from domestic pets to wildlife - anything dressed in fur, feathers or scales. The emphasis is on drawing but paintings are also acceptable.

Moderator: Mike Sibley

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:47 pm

Hi my friends ...

I hope that you've all have had a wonderful Christmas time and a New Year event !!!
For me New Year means NEW CHALLENGE ;)

Yes, I've decided to learn pastel pencils.

It's because I like very much some other artists coloured drawings, like Bev's for example or Jason Morgan...
Forgive me not to mention all of you, it's because Bev has helped me a lot answering my questions last year,how to start regarding coloured drawings.
Thank you Bev for your attention and good advices ;)
Jason Morgan has motivated me to start, answering my questions too, and his Youtube introduction to pastel pencils was crucial to me.
Thank you Jason ;)

So in shorts, this is how I've started my new challenge for 2017th ;)

I'm posting some of VERY FIRST steps of using pastel pencils...
This what you can see it's how I'm making my first strokes, shading and blending attempts ...

I've made up my reference drawing by creating some on my Photoshop...
I've chosen Autumn leaves and the Raven looking out for something from between the leaves ...
It's maybe not the best choice to learn new media, because the multi-coloured leaves are already great challenge to me, but It'll give me some of freedom to blend different colours together and see what I get ?
I'm not following exactly the reference too, it's just something that I've created to have some idea, a plan ...

I hope I'll learn soon how to use colours and the pastels to be able to draw good looking arts?
I hope you'll like my effort ;)

Thank you and all the best for all of you in New Year !!!

MEDIA ;
- Clairefontaine Pastelmat Paper - White 360g, A4 size
- Stabilo Carbothello Pastel Pencils
Attachments
15909117_1191701380879478_22220586_o.jpg
Photoshop reference drawing
15878274_1191701377546145_834910699_o.jpg
The very first strokes with pastels ...
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn leaves

Postby PogArt » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:15 pm

Hi there.
I'd like to share some new strokes that I've done to bring up the raven...
The leaves are overwhelming, so I thought it might be right time to do some work on the raven, to show him up a bit?
I hope all this drawing won't be disappointing at the final stage..., all I do is like blind man walking ...
Thank you for watching my efforts to get use to pastel pencils...
Attachments
15933922_1191940720855544_885060865_o.jpg
Bringing up the raven ...
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 374
Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:16 pm
Location: Somerset UK

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby Bev » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:18 pm

You like a challenge then Artur??
Great stuff so far, it looks excellent. Love the Ravens beak! Don't forget to bring in other colours for the Raven's feathers such as blues, violets and even greens will make them less dull and flat than if you just use black. I personally never use black on it's own and I avoid it completely if I can, dark blue and dark brown make a good black, but you can use dark greens and blues as well as other colour combinations. Practice mixing colours on a spare piece of paper and you will see what I mean. Keep up the good work and thank you for your kind comments :P
Bev

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:05 pm

Well, Bev... ;)
I can see some very handy advices in your keen comment ;) Thank you ...
This morning my wife were being watching this drawing,and she has asked me a question, why the h*** I haven't choose something simplier for my first drawing?!
Autumn leaves? Honesty? Raven..?
She said, some apple for example or anything like that?
;)
Actually she might be right ;)
I should have start with basics and move on slowly to something more challengable ;)

I'm telling this boring story to point you out Bev, how I'm appreciate your positive comments regarding my effort ;)
At this stage of not knowing the pastels, I should have drawn an apple ... ;)
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 12
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:03 pm

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby BlackScorpion » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:15 pm

Looking good so far! I have tried pastel pencils too, but it is a bit over my head. The fact you layer colors is still too difficult for me right now. But it seems to suit you well indeed. Very curious as to the progress!

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:55 pm

Thank you BlackScorpion for your keen comments.
Indeed blending and mixing up colours is something I don't understand yet? What I do now, it's layering colours to achieve similar effect as on reference photo...
Unfortunately I am only guessing what colours to choose, I'm layering them, blending and ending up with nothing else but unwanted surprices ;)
Then I'm working hard to achieve the effect I were looking for ;)
It seems to be simply, because we used to draw with coloured pencils already, at the primary school, haven't we? But it's not that simply any more, if you trying to draw some art, something professional and realistic looking ;)
Don't give it up BlackScorpion, just try to watch Youtube tutorials to learn some more, and get practise - as I do ;)
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:21 pm

One more leaf has been done ;)
I'm planning to move on to the Raven today...
Let see how it goes dealing with bird's feathers ;)
Attachments
TDF CROP.jpg
One more leaf has been done ;)
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:52 pm

Some more work has been done this afternoon ;)
I've started off the Raven's head ;)
I hope my tries will go the right direction to draw a bird not an elephant ;)
Thank you ... ;)
Attachments
TDfffffff.jpg
The head ...
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 1001
Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:35 pm
Location: Canada

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby Laurene » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:21 am

LOL! No danger of your raven suddenly turning into an elephant Arthur! This is looking great so far and Bev has shared some wonderful advice regarding how to get rich deep blacks. It seems to be progressing very quickly too. I'll be following along!

User avatar
Posts: 101
Joined: Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:25 pm
Location: New Zealand

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby KrissyNZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:57 am

This is coming along really nicely Artur! You're very good with blending the colours and those leaves are looking stunning! I love the colours of the ravens beak too. Very nice!

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:08 am

Hahahaaa thank you Laurene ;)
If you can recognise it's a bird not an elephant then I've already won ;)
Thank you Laurene and Krissy for your attention and willing to encourage me ;)
It's all because of you talented artists on TDF !
I'm learning from you and trying to keep up ;)
I'm very appreciate your comments - always ;)
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:22 am

Hi my friends.
I've had not much time to think about uploading my progress, but not much been done at the other hand ;)
Tonight I've decided to share with you some small progress, that I'm trying to make every day or so...
I'm slowly filling up left side and moving on the right side of the drawing, to avoid accidental smudging ;)
As far as I consider that this is my first ever drawing using colours, and pastel pencils, and it's my first bird that I'm working on...
I'm pretty happy with the way it's looking?
It's far from what I wish it was, but at least it's not too bad I think ...
After those few weeks of drawing with pastels, I have to say I'm enjoying to use them, and all this colours I can play with...
It's totally different experience compared to graphite B&W pencils...
I promise I'll dare to try some portrait of somebody one day ;)
Thank you ;)
Attachments
TDF.jpg
Chest ;)
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 1001
Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:35 pm
Location: Canada

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby Laurene » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:47 pm

Great update Arthur! You're achieving a real richness of colour both in the leaves and in the raven. I'm really enjoying seeing this develop!

I meant to ask earlier, is that your graphite drawing of a raven that you're using as your new icon? If it is, would you share it with us? It looks beautiful even at this small size.

User avatar
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:45 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorkshire

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby PogArt » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:24 pm

Thank you so much Laurene for taking a time to post some keen comments ;)
I'm glad you enjoy watching my efforts ;)

Laurene...
Since I've started practising on this drawing with pastels...
There is one concern that is bothering me?
Do you think that this drawing would look good in graphite b&w media too?
You know Autumn...
Full palete of different colours...
With pastels you can pass those feelings better, don't you?
I think it couldn't be better in b&w drawing?
Let me bring as example your geese ...
While watching your beautiful drawing,where is no colours, viewer actually can enjoy whole composition of it, but b&w drawing won't pass information like what is the water like, is it dark dirty green, or bright clear blue...
The trees at the background...
It could be Autumn, or Summer ...
It's unknown, isn't it?
Maybe I'm wrong but I can see some great advantages when drawing is in colours?
Another example is Lion or any other predator...
Let say you drawing a Lion next to it's hunted down prey...
With colours you can mark easily some blood marks on its fur, muzzle or paws...
By this you're telling some story to the viewer about what is happening on the drawing...
Now, imagine the same scenario dear Laurene drawn with graphite... The blood we could mark by shadding only some spots , making them pretend the blood...
I think it wouldn't be that obvious to the viewer, what the marks actually are?
Whether the Lion is simply dirty, or it's covered by some blood of his prey...

I'm not saying the b&w drawings are worset or less effective...
What I'm saying is that, I can see many advantages of the pastels over graphite media, because it seems to be able to easier pass some story behind the colours used...?

I think I'm starting to favouring colours,regarding passing some tales of your drawing easier in some cases like wildlife, birds and the other aspects I've mentioned above...

I were always drawing b&w ;)
Now when I've touched colours, it's like I did touch different possibilities of achieving some effects, that aren't as obvious when drawn b&w ?
Do you have your own point of view Laurene?

Sorry...
I couldn't stop myself ;)
This post is way too long now ;)

The answer for second question is - not ;)
If I had drawn that Raven, and it were that good... you'd know it first ;)
I love Ravens you see... Wolves and many many others animals,but those two are closest to my heart ;)
The Raven you see as my avatar, I've found while searching web browser for Ravens pictures...
I were preparing for this drawing...
I knew I wish to draw a bird, so the choice was simply ;)
It is something in that picture (avatar)...
There is some atmosphere, some scream coming out the bird, some emotions?
There is many Raven's pictures, but this one is kind of special? I'm happy you like it too Laurene ;)

Bye bye ...
PogArt
Artur Adamczyk
http://www.pogart.com

User avatar
Posts: 1001
Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:35 pm
Location: Canada

Re: Raven - In Autumn Leaves

Postby Laurene » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:20 pm

I know what you mean. We live in a world of colour and naturally we take in a lot of information about our environment based on the colours we see. There is so much beauty in nature that attracts us specifically because of the colour.

Although I love coloured artwork (I have done some myself) and I greatly admire some artists like Bev who are as adept in working with colours as they are with graphite, I admit to having always had a special affection for black and white work. I started drawing in pen and ink. It's a very unforgiving medium and it's very challenging to try to depict various shades of "grey", but I love the classic look of it just as I like the great black and white photography of the 1940's and 50's. It's the same for graphite. I love the timeless look of it. I think there are many ways to tell a story and to suggest things like seasons even in black and white or monochromatic work. The viewer is then free to embellish the story using his/her own interpretation.

Right now though I'm enjoying watching your pastel drawing develop!

Next

Return to ANIMAL and WILDLIFE

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests